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The ideal political system

The ideal political system

by Joshua Green -
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What do you (meaning the historical figure you are playing) think is the best type of political system?  Why is this?
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by Isabella Sidon -
Aristotle: I think that Polity is the best form of government, a combination of democracy and oligarchy. The common people have the most power and some power is reserved to a top group of people.
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by Adelina Pitz -

 Hobbes:  

"I  believe that a government headed by a king is the best form of government."

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by Adelina Pitz -

Locke:

"people are born with rights, if the king violates those rights they should get rid of him"

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by Shawn Myers -

Locke: "all peaceful beginnings of government have been laid in the consent of the people."

people have the absolute rights to freedom and the right to property. There rights are absolute. Only the goverment should have the power when it comes to justice to take action.

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by Melody Nims -
Rousseau: The more power you give to one or few people the more chance of war there is.
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by Joshua Green -

Rousseau: What if the King is a flawed person?  Just because you're born with an important name doesn't mean you are the best!!

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by Jaclyn Jaber -

i agree with this, power can go to someone's head, and their last name should not just hand them the power over the rest of civilization.

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by Rebecca Ashley -
Has there ever been a king that isn't flawed???? They tend to get so full of themselves. What have kings really accomplished.
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by Christian Arnaut -
Agree. Try to find one person that would not go mad with absolute power. The government must be led by several, not by one.
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by Michael Frazier -
Locke: All men are liable to error; and most men are, in many points, by passion or interest, under temptation to it.
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by Melody Nims -
Rousseau: Democracy though the democracy I invisoned would be hard to matain.
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by Kellie Ankiel -

Hobbes: Believed that a powerful state was needed to impose order (supreme power). A government ruled by a king was the best place for sovereignty could to place. People shouldn't make their own decisions.

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by Isabella Sidon -

People should have a say in the governments decisions. Ethics and politics are too close to each other.

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by Kellie Ankiel -
Hobbes: People are selfish and are in battle for wealth the king would know best.
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by Isabella Sidon -
But things would be corrupted this way. The whole point of a government is to serve the common people.
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by Kellie Ankiel -
Hobbes: With a shared government "a war of every man against every man" would cause people to take act in their own selfish interest. 
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by Isabella Sidon -

People have to be selfish though in there decision because it's for them not for anyone else. A king leads to tyranny.

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by Kellie Ankiel -

Hobbes: A king would be more consistant in the decisions.

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by Isabella Sidon -

The king would be a part of the wealthy and more than likely the poor or common people can outnumber them. Trying to level it out would just turn into civil war.

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by Kellie Ankiel -

Hobbes: Once the people gave the king absolute power, they have no right to revolt against him.

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by Michael Frazier -
Locke:All men are liable to error; and most men are, in many points, by passion or interest, under temptation to it.
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by Alexa Bean -

Locke:

the government should be  in place to enforce laws, not to hold all of the power.

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by Julia Kirchoff -

what happens if the people rise up against the government? If there is no sence of power there would be chaos.

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by Melody Nims -
Rousseau: Well if you designed a government where the people were directly involved there wouldn't be a high chance of that happening because the laws that were instuted would be the ones they want.
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by Jaclyn Jaber -
I agree with Melody, the government is basicaly there too hold a little power, just enough too enforce the laws, but they should not have complete control.
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by Christian Arnaut -
Locke: I agree.  If a sovereign violated the peoples rights, a contract is broken, and the people have a right, and a responsibility, to revolt and establish a new government. 
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by Adelina Pitz -

Plato:

The state ought to be governed by an elite class of educated philosophers.

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by Melody Nims -
Rousseau: Though the people living under the philosophers would know thier own situations better the people who have nothing to do with the problem and they should be able to create thier own laws.
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by Michael Frazier -
no offense to plato but within that group of educated people there would a power struggle. 
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by Andrew Pyon -
Mr. Thomas Hobbes. Enough said. Get rid of John Lockes theory, but keep positave morals. A slight mixture of conservative money managing and liberal social beliefs. Libertarianism is the name of the perfect governing state. Gays, women, blacks, whoever want power or the same rights would get them and social power would belong in a reconstructed equal society. One political party of republicans, and or democrats, would be uneven, such as our system as of today with too much liberal power, as we can see the congress is not fair and the system is faulted. Ron Paul for president 2012!
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by Alexa Bean -
Plato: He believed the people should be ruled  by the elite. The people should be governed by philosiphers, the very smart people. Demorcacy was corruptible.
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by Melody Nims -
Rousseau: Though if you keep the power within to few people the citizens are more likly to revolt.
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by Jordan Millross -
Aristotle: kingship with one ruler devolves into tranny. he believed in a pure democracy
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by Maria Cielito Robles -
Rousseau:  The sovereignty belongs to the people.  Without governments and laws, people would be happy and peaceful.  I think the people should be the ones who make laws for the public good.  I feel that the will of the people cannot be decided by a representative.  For a society to function, I feel that everyone should give up their rights not to a king, but to the whole community.
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by Julia Kirchoff -
Hobbes: The best kind of political system is one where the leader has ABSOLUTE power. It means no chaos, it is all under control by a strong leader. No person will dare rebel against this kind of government because the best kind of government is built on fear. The kind of government that you give your rights up to and in return you get to keep your life. There is a sence of loyalty in this kind of government.
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by Melody Nims -
Rousseau: You instil to much fear and the people are sure to revolt, all institutions headed by one or few persons is doomed to fail.
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by Kellie Ankiel -
Plato: "Democracy is highly corruptible".
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by Julia Kirchoff -
As is any government but history has shown that Democracy has been the most successful
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by Andrew Pyon -
you sound like fox news... smh
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by Anna Jones -
Montesquieu: that's why there's 3 powers in the government. how else the government will take place? don't listen to Aristotle and Plato. they don't know anything at all about politics. the whole thing is really about the government can't have that much power and that the people should decide for themselves and their rights. 
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by Michael Frazier -
Aristotle:Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the rulers.
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by Christian Arnaut -
Montesquieu: While that may be, through distribution of power by using checks and balances, no one corrupt man will have full control.
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by Jillian Burhop -

Plato:

"The government should be ran by the elite. It makes no sense that we should proceed to put people in charge who have shaky, or, worse yet, no philosophical positions."

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by Rebecca Ashley -
Aristotle- I argue that politics and ethics are closely linked. My ideal government gives some power to the masses and reserve some power for the elite. It would be such a change from politics now a days. When I think of politcics the first thing that comes to my mind is definatly not ethics, or ethical. This system would almost make politicians ethical, which could intern make things better.big grin
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by Moses Hobson -

John Locke: " all peaceful beginnings of government have been laid in the consent of the people."

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by Rachel Nichols -

I Believe That Plato Is A Good Political System To Live By Because It Reassures Me On How Protected, Organized, Assembled Our Higher Classes Are, Thus Making Less Chances Of A Mistake Popping Up Or Someone Not Knowing What They Are Doing. There Is A Saying Called " Not Worthy" For A Reason. wink

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by Jonathon McKinney -
Locke: " Government was mainly necessary to promote the "public good" that is to protect property and encourage commerce and little else."
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by Kiana Smith -

Locke

" We give up our right to ourselves exact retribution for crimes in return for impartial justice backed by overwhelming force. We retain the right to life and liberty, and gain the right to just, impartial protection of our property."

Locke believe people are born knowing and practicing whats right and wrong. He criticized government that were to controlling.

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by Jolin Yamin -
I think democracy is the best form of government. People should have the right to life and property. Every human is born with natural rights and those rights should not be violated by the government. Humans know what's right and what's wrong and are able to resolve conflicts. The government is there to ensure justice for all.
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by Clarence LeFlore -

Locke

"The king did not hold absolute power, but acted only to enforce and protect the natural rights of the people."

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by Destinee Leapheart -

John Locke & Thomas Hobbes

All mankind... being all equal and independent, no one ought to

 harm another in his life, health, liberty or possessions.

-John Locke

It is not wisdom but Authority that makes a law.

-Thomas Hobbes

An ideal political system would in fact be a political system that acknowledges that people have unaliable rights and steps in when the rights of people are being harmed. The government should only step in and take actions when they need to protect the rights of people and their safety and well being. The government should also set firm laws that should be followed no excuses and if these laws are broken there should be severe punishment that follows. Some humans may follow laws because of their moral state of mind is to do the right thing but others are carless and feel that they should be able to do as they please. Regardless of how good people are or how bad they are people need rules to goveren them or it could possibly lead to chaos. Forming this government should avoid total rule because a total rule could lead to tyranny and could lead for a government to be overthrown.

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by Alexander Molnar -

Hobbes: The only truly effective government that will not eventually devolve into pure anarchy is one governed by one entity. Two minds can never form complete harmony in regards to ethics, politics, or the organization of man, and because of this, no matter how great they may appear on paper, democracies can never work. Man can not break away from his natural tendencies for self-preservation and so cannot be given liberties to rule himself. All power must be given to an individual. This will ensure that their selfish actions to preserve their own life will likewise benefit the common man in place to serve them.